Posts by Cold Steel

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Michael Cremo and the book Fobbiden archaeology

by Crazyguy in

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it my understanding that he's claiming that humans have lived on earth for millions of years.

it looks as though he's even showing different archaeological findings to support his claim.

he seams to be claiming that other inferior humanoids could not created some of the things found and i guess modern scientists would agree on that single piont.. its also if interest to find out that his religious beliefs maybe behind his ideas.

Cold Steel

One way might be to find the oldest writing samples. If a civilization is said to have existed 250,000 years ago, but the earliest writing is only 5,000 years old, then I would have to doubt the first number.

As far as I know, no significant culture in Mexico pre-dates the Olmec culture, and that dates back to about 2500 B.C. And it came to a rather quick end in 400 B.C., most likely due because of war.

So if this super-ancient civilization has writings, that would go a long way in telling us more about them. Who were their kings? What were their modes of warfare? What was their size, physical characteristics and what happened to them? Were they destroyed or assimilated? How did they claim to get here?

If someone says a culture was here hundreds of thousands of years before other cultures, then I'm going to want more evidence than carbon dating. Civilizations cannot build cities and yet remain silent in the written word.

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If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Cold Steel

One question I'd ask is: If Jesus Christ came in 1914 BUT IT WAS INVISIBLE, and if He's ruling today AND IS DOING SO INVISIBLY, how would the Governing Body know unless its members can SEE invisible things?

And: If Jesus Christ came in 1918 and "chose" an earthly organization, which was the Bible Students, doesn't this mean the information was somehow conveyed to them them? If they don't receive any new information by way of revelation, and if they are not infallible, how can they make such claims with any degree of credibility?

I don't personally know what is in their own minds. Are they sincere? Do they believe it because they think it's true, or have they talked themselves into believing it? If I were a member of the GB, I'd be worried about which hand of the Lord I'd be standing on in the day of judgment. Anciently Jesus chose his apostles and said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you and ordained you." But today they say, "Ye have not chosen us, but we have chosen you and ordained ourselves."

How in the heck did that work out?? And Jesus signed off on that?

In the first case, Jesus was the proactive force. In the second He's the passive force. The GB is the proactive force. They appoint themselves, then assure everyone that God subsequently ratified it. But if it's true, it's a first with God because God has NEVER, EVER, operated that way in the past. He always went to His appointed LEADERS and chose them. Not once, EVER, did they go to Him and demand that they be called and chosen; it was ALWAYS the other way around.

So where, I would ask, can they find in the scriptures one instance where prophets or apostles chose themselves, then went to God and said, "Well, how about it? Are we acceptable to thee?"

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If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Cold Steel

"Why do hotdogs come in packs of four or eight and hotdog rolls come in packs of six or twelve?"

Good! Then there's the classic about why a tiny mosquito has many legs and wings to boot, while a lumbering elephant has only four legs to support its great weight. Doesn't seem philosophically fair.

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If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Cold Steel

No such question exists in my view. There are no straight answers.

Plenty of questions. Cofty could ask about reconciling evidence of an old earth with teachings of a new earth.

And others might ask:

How could Jehovah except medical uses for blood thousands of years before such medical practices existed?
Where did the JWs get its ecclesiastical authority?
How can a manmade church subsequently be chosen by God as what supposedly happened in 1919? Shouldn't it be the other way around? God creates the church, then asks men to accept it?
Can PARADISE EARTH people someday go to Heaven? What wonders can Earth hold for people after a few hundred years, much less thousands?
Why did 144,000 go to Heaven when everyone else becomes earthbound?

And they can go on and on. These are only a few.

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If You Could Ask the GB Or One Of Its Members...

by Cold Steel in

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be?

historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Cold Steel

...one question about anything and get a straight answer, what would it be? Historical, philosophical, theological, eschatological, anything.

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Well, the Apostasy Accusations Begins...

by Sorry in

so, it finally happened.

the first time i have been called out for being an apostate.

it started out innocently enough: my family and i were watching a tv show.

Cold Steel

What they need is a good turkey dinner with gravy, green beans w/bacon, dressing, fluffy white dinner rolls (did I mention gravy?) and pumpkin pie. I'd celebrate the Feast of Saturn for some of that action! Because on Paradise Earth, everyone's going to be eating bee pollen for eternity. Except for the Heavenly Hope crowd. They apparently warrant a better shake in the next life.

Did I say "shake"? I wonder why chocolate malts went out of favor?

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Jehovah God is Real

by TakeOffTheCrown in

there are many on this site that do not believe that jehovah truly exists; that he is not a real being.

but, he is as real as next breath you draw into your nostrils.. some of you say that there is no evidence that he exists.

yet, none of you can prove that he does not exits.. cofty, (you come to mind), i appreciate that you have stated, without reservation, that you do not believe that god exists.. yet, you cannot prove it.. hope in jehovah..

Cold Steel

No one can prove anything. But if someone believes in God, railing against them isn't going to change minds on either side. Some people like believing in God. It brings them satisfaction and adds spiritual fulfillment to their lives just as evolution brings happiness and fulfillment to Cofty. In fact, if science were to prove evolution completely and inarguably FALSE...and I mean incontestably, incontrovertibly, undeniably and unquestionably FALSE, I'd actually feel sorry for Cofty. So who am I to take that from him?

The same is true TOffTC. If believing in Yahweh and his earthly theocratic kingdom rings his bell, GREAT. At least he's got the guts to come on a board like this with the equivalent of a “Kick Me!” sign on his back.

After seeing those Hillary supporters crying and sobbing, I'm kind of dreading the Second Coming. There will be a major Kleenex shortage!

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Cold Steel

Vanderhoven7 » The biblical "Great Tribulation" was a local event that took place in 70 AD centering on the temple, Jerusalem and Judaea and the mountains beyond.

And how do you know this? What of the parts that were not fulfilled?

And what of the battle of Gog and Magog? Jerusalem under attack. Judah gathered from the nations of the earth. Most of Jerusalem sacked. As I stated earlier, it just doesn't fit.

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Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood

by JWdaughter in

after many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!

) : what exactly does the wt think that the early non jewish christians were abstaining from in the blood abstention bit.

while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.

Cold Steel

JWDaughter » They, like many, are repulsed at the idea of blood pudding or blood sausage. I have seen their written quandries about blood in the food of their pets.

Yeah, I'm repulsed by blood products as well. But trying to keep pets from eating blood is as ridiculous as expecting them to keep the feasts and the sabbaths! (Although my cat is always up for a good feast regardless of the reason.)

So, but for blood transfusions, how are JWs abstaining from eating blood?

If God had wanted to make an exception of giving or receiving blood for medical reasons, how, exactly, could He have done that in Old Testament times? But isn't this the reason there's a governing body, to act as a chain of command? Perhaps God never intended the prohibition against blood to include medical procedures but how would we know? If we draw a line and say God can no longer speak to man, then what good is a governing body or elders? Or even having a church? There have been cases where the parents of a child talk to doctors and are on the verge of allowing them to save their child, only to have some elders arrive and chat with them in a private room and change their minds. It's infuriating, but what can be done? The state can come in and overrule them, but that takes time.

The WBTS has a twisted exegesis in this issue and no other Christian church is foolish enough to buy into it, but the Sociey makes another twist and uses their strange interpretation to show others that it alone is God's organization.

The blood doctrine specifically exists because blood is the life of man, and it's widely used in evil rituals. BTW, Wiki-Leaks has exposed some of the top leaders in a certain political party as participating in some very sick blood and cannibalistic rites that are likely tied into pedophilia and possibly human sacrifice.

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So I woke up and Trump was president

by notalone in

so i live in the u.s. i had family that lived in germany when hitler came to power.

i had family that was in london during the blitz.

being raised as a witness i was obsessed with everything having to do with the rise of the nazis.

Cold Steel

Village Idiot » A nation under Hillary is going to be the continuation of the status quo. A nation under Donald Trump is going to wreck the nation.

That's exactly what they said about Ronald Reagan. But it was just the opposite.

Besides, war with Russia was almost inevitable had Hillary won the White House. Obama, Hillary and Kerry had the entire military establishment on edge. Putin was not joking or posturing when he warned the U.S. And had there been war, the Russians would have been right.

Even Jill Stein said as much:

And [Hillary] has said that she will lead the charge with a no-fly zone in Syria, and that basically amounts to a declaration of war against Russia, who is there under international law, having been invited by the sitting government. Like it or not, Russia has the sanction of international law to be there. For us to go in and declare a no-fly zone means get ready for war with Russia. Both of us have 2,000 nuclear weapons on hair trigger alert. This is the most dangerous moment— according to the former president of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev, who, two weeks ago, said this is the most dangerous nuclear moment ever.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=k767cjPA35k